00:40 Welcome, everyone.

00:42 Today we have Dr.

00:43 Klinghardt, and I'm so excited to have him.

00:46 Welcome, Dr.Klinghardt.

00:48 Good morning, Michele.

00:52 So, Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD, is a world renowned medical

00:56 physician who early in his career, became interested

00:59 in the sequelae of chronic toxicity, especially lead,

01:04 mercury, environmental, pollutants and electromagnetic fields and their

01:08 correlation to chronic illness.

01:11 Dr. Klinghardt is internationally recognized for his

01:13 biological medicine approaches and successful treatments

01:17 of neurological illness, chronic pain, Autism,

01:21 Lyme disease, and techniques to combine

01:25 non surgical orthopedic medicine with immunology,

01:28 endocrinology, toxicology and neurotherapy.

01:32He is the founder and medical director of the

01:34Sophia Health Institute near Seattle in the United States,

01:38as well as the founder and chair of the

01:39Institute of Neurobiology, Dr. in Germany. Dr. Klinghardt

01:43Klinghardt has authored groundbreaking textbooks and

01:46publications and created autonomic response testing

01:50and the five levels of.

01:52Oh, that's quite impressive.

01:56It was pretty good.

01:59So to kind of, to start, can you tell us

02:02a little bit about your background and why you

02:05focus on chronic illness in your practice today?

02:09Yeah, I mean, it's pretty simple.

02:11I mean, I grew up in Germany

02:13and went to medical school there.

02:15And at the time, there was still a

02:17time before the big separation between integrative medicine

02:21or alternative medicine and conventional medicine.

02:24It was one thing.

02:25So we still had courses in herbal medicine.

02:29We had obligatory courses

02:32in homeopathy and acupuncture.

02:34And so when we graduated, we

02:36were actually tested on those subjects.

02:38So we had to have a good working knowledge of all that.

02:41And then really after medical school, I did my residency,

02:47and doing the residency, I had the chance to at

02:50the same time study psychology and got a degree in

02:54that also, and then worked on my PhD, which was

03:01major work that took three years on how the autonomic

03:06nervous system, the vascular system, and the immune system are

03:10correlated with each other.

03:12So that was sort of my starting point.

03:16And then I worked in India for three years,

03:19which was some of my internship in medicine I

03:22actually did in a hospital in India.

03:25And then I got in touch with

03:28Dr. Vasant Lad, who was down the road, our little

03:31Ayurvedic doctor, who later on we moved to

03:34America, and he became famous here.

03:37So they had a pretty good

03:39working knowledge of Ayurvedic medicine.

03:41And then coming over here, I was kind of

03:45shocked that acupuncture, at least at the time in

03:48the early eighties was hardly known.

03:51And homeopathy, even though it has a huge

03:55history in America, was virtually murdered by the

04:02medical history that we all know.

04:04And so I sort of brought some of my German

04:10upbringing and what I've experienced over here and then put

04:16those things together also had, I have to say, like

04:19a very decisive six months in England with James Cyriax,

04:25who was sort of the inventor of orthopedic medicine.

04:29That's a non surgical way of

04:31treating orthopedic conditions, which largely involved

04:35prolotherapy and different injection techniques.

04:39And then when I came over here,

04:41I was first very much involved with

04:44prolotherapy and treating orthopedic conditions.

04:47And whenever that was successful with the

04:51patient, the same patient thought I was

04:54special and brought their mother with cancer

04:56and brought their children with autism.

04:58And through that, I sort of just took a

05:02natural evolution and becoming sort of the receiving basket

05:10for patients that didn't find help elsewhere.

05:15And that happens to be

05:17mostly people with chronic illness.

05:20And then sort of very quickly, by the

05:22end of the already pretty knowledgeable about Lyme

05:28disease and the first treatments that were available

05:34and explored that quite deeply.

05:36And so I think sort of by the mid

05:3990's, had already developed alternative biological approaches to treat

05:44Lyme disease, which made me popular in some circles

05:47and very unpopular in other circles.

05:51And that's why I sometimes say I'm the last

05:53standing naturopath in Seattle, because the whole Bastyr

05:58university and all the students have gone the way

06:01treating it with antibiotics and with hard medical drugs,

06:05whereas even though I have prescription pad available, I

06:09went the other way, treating things differently.

06:12And since that, on the long run, was far more

06:15effective, I sort of became almost like the victim of

06:20all the chronic patients in the US that found, many

06:24of whom found their way to me.

06:26And so it kind of was the

06:28natural evolution for that sort of.

06:32And it wasn't that I had a particular passion for

06:35chronic illness, it just ended up being that way.

06:38And then during the COVID years, it kind of pretty

06:44much fortified my knowledge and my opinions about using the

06:50prior knowledge to deal with the situation, which helped us

06:54really guide a lot of people through the crisis without

06:59ending up on the respirator or in the coffin.

07:06Now, post Covid, we're facing the issue that people

07:12have a flare up of all their chronic illnesses,

07:16and so basically learned any chronic illness we need

07:20to treat now, or cancer or autoimmune disease, we

07:23have to include the treatment of COVID with it.

07:28And that has worked out really well.

07:31Right.

07:32That's a pretty impressive background with a lot

07:34of different variables that you can combine, really.

07:39During this time, I was listening to your background on

07:44a different video, and you were discussing kind of your

07:47upbringing exposed to Lyme disease kind of in a certain

07:51region, and how so many people had it.

07:53And so it seemed like all these

07:55different things came into your life path

07:58to definitely have you specialize in.

08:03You know, I think it's for everybody is their

08:05own experience becomes the formative thing in their life.

08:11Yeah.

08:12The area in Germany where I grew up

08:14has turned out to be the mother bed

08:16of Babesia, Bartonella and Borrelia in Europe.

08:21And however, I have to say that the

08:24european form of Lyme disease turns out to

08:27be much easier treatable than the American version,

08:32which clearly has manmade characteristics built into it.

08:37That makes it so much more vicious.

08:41Yeah, that definitely makes it difficult, too.

08:45So tell us a little bit more about your five levels

08:48of healing, like how you developed it and really where you

08:52got your inspiration to develop it and utilize that.

08:57Yeah, I mean, of course, through my years in India,

09:03which was the reason why I was there for some

09:07very deep spiritual experiences, to experience healing on a very

09:11different level than what we experience here.

09:15And then in the years I studied psychology, I

09:18saw the limits and the beauty of psychotherapy.

09:22And then very early on in my practice, which was in

09:27Santa Fe, New Mexico, by the way, for a while, we

09:31were the second largest pain center in the country.

09:35Seattle was at the university.

09:38Dr. Bonica was a big guru of pain

09:40management, but had a clinic there.

09:43But at the time, pain management wasn't

09:47on the map of American physicians.

09:49And me and a brilliant osteopathic physician,

09:53Dr. James Baum, in Santa Fe, established

09:56the Santa Fe Pain center.

09:58And we had our own radiologist.

10:00We had access to surgery to be

10:04doing quite invasive things with pain management.

10:07So we learned our way around that.

10:12But the main discovery, since I was Lyme literate,

10:19by the time we got very deeply into pain

10:22management, we realized that many chronic pain syndromes had

10:26everything to do with chronic infections.

10:29That link between chronic pain and chronic

10:33illness and chronic infections has to become

10:38hugely documented now in the literature.

10:41But we kind of were early on with that.

10:45And then, of course, taking a deep dive

10:48into that, we realized that infections only grow

10:52in contaminated body terrains, and that's usually the

10:56heavy metals that play a huge role there.

10:59And then the question came up, why does not

11:01everybody with the same burden get the same illness?

11:04And then we realized, okay, there

11:06was more to the human condition.

11:08And then we explored what's now called the

11:11energy body, which is all the phenomena of

11:15physics that happen in our body.

11:17The emission of biophotons from the cells of

11:21electric impulses, the microcircuits that happen in the

11:25brain that you can actually diagnose and treat

11:29on that level as well.

11:30And this is sort of where acupuncture comes in.

11:34The work with infrared light and sauna therapy and magnetic

11:38fields and microcurrent, which now sort of is slowly

11:43making its impact in even in conventional circles.

11:48And then we realized that wasn't it sort of

11:51that when people had early trauma history in life,

11:56that the outcome of things that would work on

11:59everybody else would not be so good.

12:02And that we actually had to go to

12:05the level of psychology to address the early

12:09trauma and resolve, help the patient resolve that.

12:13And so I was actually the first one in the US

12:17to use an eye movement technique that later on through

12:23Mrs. Shapiro became famous under the name EMDR.

12:26But we were using that technique way before

12:31and then realized, okay, well, that was the

12:33key to a lot of illnesses.

12:35And then, however, it didn't stop there.

12:38And then, still looking at the treatment failures, we

12:43realized that the trauma that is affecting the health

12:48of people can actually be the trauma that happened

12:53in the family and the generations before.

12:56The patient lived to their parents,

12:59their grandparents, their great grandparents.

13:01And we started to explore the realm of

13:06what's in psychology called now transpersonal psychology.

13:10But these are influences on our health

13:13that are beyond our own life.

13:15That didn't start with conception until now, the

13:18influence, but it actually goes much further back.

13:21And so to put that in a

13:26framework, I remembered my teachings that I

13:32received in India, the teachings of Patanjali.

13:36He is the guy who probably 5000

13:40years ago, nobody knows, created yoga.

13:45Yoga was meant to be a technique to cleanse the body

13:50in a way that you can connect with the divine easier.

13:56The recognition that a toxic, contaminated body, you cannot

14:03pray, you cannot connect to the divine, the divine

14:06cannot connect to you, that you sort of like

14:09your body vibrations are on a whole different level

14:14that has nothing to do with the higher levels.

14:17And so basically the sequence that

14:22evolved is then there is this

14:25thing in philosophy called downward causation.

14:29That means if you have a trauma on

14:31a higher level, let's say your parents were

14:37Holocaust victims, somehow one of them survived it.

14:43You gave life.

14:44And then your parents or grandparents are hoping to

14:48leave that behind and you're now living a life.

14:51But you spent your whole life in fear.

14:54And eventually fear will eventually affect the kidneys.

14:59And then sort of.

15:00And you may present to the physician with the

15:04cadmium overload in the kidneys and beginning kidney failure.

15:08And so then, yes, you can detox cadmium and that

15:12may help for the moment, and this is an ongoing

15:15job anyway, to get cadmium out of the kidneys.

15:18But you can do that, and the patient will

15:21improve as long as they stay on treatment.

15:24But if you can go back and resolve it on the

15:27level where actually the origin was, to heal the people that

15:32died in the Holocaust and to heal the people that emerged

15:37from it alive, a few of them, and the people that

15:41were traumatized because of our family members.

15:44And you go there with the healing.

15:46Then suddenly there's this trickle down effect that we

15:48call downward causation, that heals on all levels.

15:53And it's, of course, very cost effective for the

15:56patient because you do one treatment, and over a

15:59few weeks or months afterwards, everything cleans itself up.

16:03You stop retaining metals.

16:06Your immune system wakes up and deals with the

16:08infections, and your energy body straightens out your chakras,

16:13open up your meridians, open up, your autonomic nervous

16:16system becomes functional, your mind gets clear, you stop

16:21having anxiety, so you sleep better at night with

16:25all the consequences of that.

16:27And it's very profound.

16:28So we call that the five levels of healing.

16:31That's when a patient comes to us.

16:34We try to make an assessment that

16:36not only applies to the physical body

16:39by doing the regular functional medicine stuff.

16:42It's nice or good, but it's not complete.

16:45And then I've developed a technique, the ART, the

16:50autonomic response testing, that allows us to beyond the

16:58lab work to test the energy body.

17:00That's primarily what we do.

17:02But then we can, once we clean that up, we

17:05very easily stumble into what we call the mental body.

17:09That's the realm of psychology, and find

17:13all sorts of issues there, traumatic events,

17:17unresolved conflicts that we deal with quickly

17:20and easily without complicating it.

17:23And then that may open up

17:26the access to the fourth level.

17:28Suddenly we see big issues raining down from above.

17:35And then, yes, there is the fifth level.

17:37It's that sort of connection, the individual connection

17:41that the patient has with the divine.

17:44And I do not interfere with that.

17:47That is private to the patient

17:48and should not be messed with.

17:51Like some gurus try and some psychotherapists

17:56try, and some regular people try.

17:59That is not to be messed with.

18:01So that's pretty much it.

18:03So we have these five levels, and they're

18:05all interactive with each other, of course.

18:08And illnesses can be caused on

18:13each one of the five levels.

18:15And it's a wrong assumption that somebody has back pain, that

18:21it's just the pressure of the disc on a nerve.

18:24And when you remove the disc, everything will be fine.

18:27Well, it may be, and it may be for

18:30a while or the pain moves somewhere else.

18:33And it's best to use a method of

18:39diagnosing that looks at all the levels and

18:45accommodates treatment that address all of the issues.

18:53Of course, as a physician, you have a limited time

18:56in a particular visit, and it's always good to start

19:01on the physical level and work your way up, but

19:04not to linger on the physical level forever like most

19:07people, even after two years of taking vitamins and supplements

19:13and herbs, that kind of thing.

19:14Well, I just need to find the right

19:16combination of vitamins, and I will get well.

19:19So they keep looking and looking and looking

19:20and spending more and more money on very,

19:23very sophisticated, ever increasing, delicate blood tests and

19:30breath tests and urine tests and skin tests

19:33and x rays and ultrasound and imaging techniques.

19:39And now the whole body MRI is now popular.

19:42And yes, it gives us all valuable information,

19:46but it pretty much shows the outcome of

19:51something deeper that has happened in the patient.

19:53And most chronic illness has components that go

19:56all the way up to the fourth level.

20:01Right?

20:01Yeah, I completely agree with you.

20:04And you're really like a pioneer

20:06in the mind body medicine field.

20:09And you combined a lot of different elements, especially

20:12taking the ancient Vedic culture and the beliefs there

20:18and really combining it with the medicine.

20:20To me, there is no question that all of those things

20:23are deeply tied in, and that's the real way to heal.

20:28Well, you've kind of already answered this question,

20:29but I'll ask you it just if you

20:31have other thoughts, is what's your personal view

20:33on how emotions affect the body?

20:38Emotions are complex event, sort of.

20:41On a physical level, you can explain

20:44emotions with the mix of neurotransmitters that

20:48have been excreted into the bloodstream by

20:51the autonomic nervous system, usually.

20:53And the effect on the brain, the subjective

20:58effect, is the particular set of feelings.

21:01But you can also look at it on the second level.

21:04It's the activation of certain aspects of

21:08the autonomic nervous system, highly involved.

21:10Now, we know from beautiful researches on this level

21:16that the vagus nerve, which is sort of, kind

21:20of half the autonomic nervous system, that the vagus

21:23nerve is highly involved with that.

21:25And there's changes that, electrochemical changes

21:28that can be measured now.

21:30So when you have emotions, you can do the

21:32heart rate variability and other tests to look at

21:37it on this level, or the psychologist will look

21:40at it on the third level and look at

21:43more what triggered the emotion and deal with that.

21:49And so emotions are complex, but they're typically

21:53triggered by perceptions through the sensory organs.

21:58That's a second level issue in our system.

22:02And that triggers then a storm of events

22:05that is affecting the brain, how it behaves,

22:09what it perceives, how it filters things.

22:11And then you get this excretion of neurotransmitters

22:15in the bloodstream there, and then reverse stream

22:18through the brain and change your brain chemistry.

22:21So it's a wild thing.

22:23Emotions are really a wild thing.

22:24And I think I'm suspecting if there's other planets and

22:29other beings out there, that they don't have that.

22:33I think it's a unique thing to us

22:35humans and makes us very human and precious.

22:39It's a beautiful feedback system that we have.

22:45If somebody is in an emotion, whether it's anger or

22:48sadness or whatever it is, usually we can recognize it

22:52in their face, which is the vagus nerve expressing itself

22:56in that way through the autonomic ganglia and the innovation

23:01of the faces, which is different from the innovation of

23:05your shoulders and your belly muscles.

23:10Emotions are a beautiful, complex thing, but

23:13usually they're secondary to something else.

23:16And sort of, we kind of looking at that.

23:19The way emotions really go is

23:21like you have a perception.

23:23You see something, you hear something, and then

23:26it goes to the filter of your beliefs.

23:29Prior experiences, gets filtered out, and then leads

23:32to the feeling, and then that then determines

23:38your choices and your actions that follow.

23:41And so emotions have an important

23:43role in all of that, right? Yeah.

23:47And I think you explained it really well,

23:50because it's all about the perception and the

23:52beliefs, too, of how the emotions are expressed.

23:54And so getting to the root of that and finding

23:57the truth of the experience and removing all the limited

24:03beliefs and the associations and everything that's attached to it,

24:08and then causes the responses in the body.

24:12Moving on to the next question.

24:14You have developed a method

24:16called the autonomic response testing.

24:19So really, what is that technique?

24:21And how do you use this

24:23technique in your clinical practice?

24:28So, by the way, I'm just going back to the last one.

24:30I forgot an important piece.

24:32So there's a German, wonderful brain researcher,

24:36a professor somewhere, who really made the

24:41point and proved the point that Covid

24:44was a targeted attack on the hippocampus.

24:50That's the structure in the brain next to the amygdala.

24:53Both those structures are highly involved, how

24:56we feel and what we feel.

24:58And that is sort of, like now greatly under attack

25:03and changes on a very deep level who we are.

25:07But this is sort of, like, just

25:08a little finishing note on emotions.

25:11And so autonomic response testing, of course, is

25:14the outcome of a lot of learnings. For me.

25:21It started in Germany, learning electroacupuncture.

25:26According to

25:27Dr. Voll, some of the listeners may

25:31have had treatment with know where.

25:33You either measure the current flow through acupuncture points

25:38in the hand, and then there's a machine that

25:41then puts frequencies into the system and see which

25:44ones correct the readings that you're getting.

25:48That was developed by Dr. Voll, and

25:50Dr. Voll happened to be my family physician when I grew up.

25:53So I kind of thought that was medicine

25:56to actually use electrodermal testing, as it's called

26:00now, electrodermal screening, EDS, that that was the

26:05real medicine, the real diagnostic method.

26:07I was surprised when I went

26:08to medical school, where is it?

26:11Nobody was teaching it, and if they were aware of

26:14it, they were poo pooing it and so on.

26:17However, it got our family through very hard times.

26:24And so that was my beginning, and sort of.

26:27And then I was very good at

26:29it and then moved to America.

26:31And the first thing that happened within really, like, three

26:34or four months of starting my medical practice at the

26:37time in Santa Fe, the medical board sent its soldiers

26:43to my clinic, and they arrested that instrument.

26:46So I was without instrument.

26:48And so I had to then decide, based on

26:54my understanding, this was all the testing that Dr.

26:58Voll developed was all related to changes in the

27:02autonomic nervous system, which were, as it turns out,

27:06through the research of Candace Pert, who actually got

27:09a Nobel prize for it, actually turns out that

27:11the autonomic nervous system is in control of the

27:18white blood cells of the immune system.

27:21That is often forgotten.

27:23We always talk about the immune system and

27:25the different cells and the monocytes and what

27:27they're all doing, but they all have receptors

27:32in the cell wall that receives messages spilled

27:35into the blood by the autonomic nervous system.

27:37And so I was aware of that from

27:40my own thesis, from my own research.

27:43And so I was looking for other

27:45techniques to assess the autonomic nervous system.

27:48And so the first thing I came across, of

27:51course, in the US was applied kinesiology with Dr.

27:56Goodheart.

27:56So I took the so called 100 hours training

27:59in that, who became pretty proficient in using that.

28:03And then I realized the mistakes that were in it.

28:06And I was looking for other techniques, and I

28:09found the professor, Yoshiaki Omura in New York,

28:14who was a brilliant Japanese researcher who developed a

28:19different way of manual muscle testing using the finger

28:24muscles, the muscles that make a ring between the

28:26fingers and they are prying them apart.

28:29And if there's stress in the autonomic

28:32nervous system, it weakens the ring.

28:34And if the autonomic nervous system signals a healing

28:37response to something, it strengthens the O-ring test.

28:41That was a test that was closer to my heart.

28:44And so I developed that.

28:47And then gradually, over time, merged the techniques and

28:52the knowledge I had about that, and that evolved

28:55into the autonomic response testing, which my humble opinion

29:01is clearly currently the best way of manual testing

29:06that is superior to the AK and is superior

29:10to the O-ring test alone and superior to electroacupuncture.

29:17With the ART test, we've been able

29:20to develop treatments for Lyme disease that

29:24are non-toxic, purely biological, that work.

29:27And the literature is always following the literature.

29:32The emerging medicine supports what we found.

29:36We found solutions for Epstein Barr, we found solutions

29:41for all the pain related issues that are very

29:46profound, that go quite a number of levels deeper

29:51than what other techniques have brought to light.

29:55And so that's really all I can say.

29:58And so when we do the testing, it looks

30:01pretty much like a mix of kinesiology and O-ring

30:06testing, both as part of the technique, and it's

30:12a technique that is not depending on me.

30:16So I've taught virtually

30:18thousands of students worldwide.

30:20The largest contingent of very proficient practitioners

30:26are in Australia, New Zealand and India.

30:31There is a huge group of practitioners in Europe,

30:36Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and then now it's also swept

30:40into Russia and into the eastern european countries.

30:43And so it's around.

30:46It's just in the US, there is even old

30:51friends that aren't functional medicine, sort of, because there

30:55is a slow learning curve to it.

30:58It's not a popular technique in the US.

31:00Everything has to be like McDonald's kind of drive by.

31:04You learn one technique for one day,

31:06and then that's what you use.

31:08And this takes a bit longer.

31:11And so it doesn't have the popularity

31:14in the US that it deserves.

31:17But the current times are not supporting long

31:24learning curves, supporting the quick and easy.

31:28And so, of course, ordering a lab test

31:31requires stroke of a pen, and you don't

31:34have to learn any particular thing with that.

31:39You know how it is right now.

31:41People spend thousands of dollars in lab tests,

31:44and then the outcome is always predictable, that

31:47you're trying to fix the patient's condition with

31:50giving a particular group of supplements or herbs

31:55or medicines, and then hoping for the best.

31:58And if it's not working, or working just a

32:02little bit, then you try more lab testing and

32:08you go forth and back and eventually probably have

32:13the best protocol that's possible on the physical level,

32:16but the patient still isn't all the way.

32:23Right.

32:23No, I completely agree with you on that, too.

32:26I think especially in the US, it's moved to

32:28physical tests and you lose that connection with the

32:31patient and seeing them and feeling them and having

32:34them be exposed to different therapies.

32:37So it's really gone a different way.

32:39But I think this podcast and bringing that information

32:42out there, I think there are physicians that want

32:45to bring that back, that element, and combine it

32:49all in a different way, too.

32:52I'm thankful you're teaching that to

32:53physicians and practitioners.

33:00I do have a team of doctors with

33:03me at the Sophia Health Institute in Woodinville

33:06which is the suburb of Seattle.

33:08We do have a team of practitioners, are very

33:10good with it, and are equally following what we've

33:15learned and are equally proficient in doing it.

33:19Yeah, and that's great.

33:21You can offer it there, too.

33:23I think that people come pretty much

33:25from all over the world, right.

33:26To go to your clinic in

33:29Woodinville, in the Seattle area, to.

33:31To have those treatments and

33:33to have that unique experience.

33:36Yeah.

33:38So the next question I have for you is,

33:41what are the seven most common factors that block

33:46or stress the healthy functioning of the nervous system?

33:51Yeah, this has been years in the making, actually just

33:56published a book on that, the seven factors of healing.

34:00Now, let me see if I can get them together.

34:05So, on the physical level, it's mostly

34:09infections and toxins that are affecting people.

34:16But infections also exert their effect on

34:20the human body by either secreting viral

34:23toxins or by arousing the immune system.

34:27And the immune system creates all the symptoms.

34:30So that's one factor.

34:33And then one of the big

34:35overlooked ones is the structure.

34:38When people have lost teeth or have a poor

34:41bite, we know now with all the research, there's

34:44a huge effect on the brain, on acetylcholine production,

34:48on brain fog and memory problems and all the

34:51things that people complain about.

34:52Now, nobody looks at the structure, so we are

34:58very busy in sending people to have the teeth

35:04worked on you in different ways to get.

35:07It's clear from the research that people, when

35:12they've lost teeth and get a regular denture,

35:15there's no positive effect on the brain.

35:17But if you get ceramic implants and build up

35:22the bite and so the patient can actually chew

35:25properly, that repairs the brain damage from it.

35:31This is so factor number two is the structure

35:35of the body, and then, of course, we know

35:37chiropractic and osteopathy, the fantastic tools to correct things

35:45on this level that will indeed all have effects

35:49on the rest of the body, really primarily through

35:53the autonomic nervous system.

35:56Then there is a thing that's kind of not

35:59well known in the US, is the effect of

36:02what's called interference fields, typically are scars from surgeries.

36:08So scars are different tissue from normal body tissue.

36:16And when we moving, they're building up

36:19a frictional electricity that constantly discharges itself

36:23in the autonomic nervous system and also

36:26in the sensory nervous system.

36:28And then the signal goes to the hypothalamus, and

36:32then a hypothalamus directs the autonomic nervous system and

36:36the signals going from there to particular body part.

36:39And so it's common that a scar from

36:43a C-section causes migraine headaches, or that

36:48appendectomy scar typically causes the growth of fibroids

36:53and other problems in the pelvic area.

36:56And I could give you the scars from the

36:59tonsilectomy very often later in life, cause knee pain.

37:03And so rather than treating the

37:05knee pain, we treat the scars.

37:07And so that treatment is called neural therapy.

37:11And there's actually a great meeting coming up

37:14in Seattle in, I think it's the beginning

37:17of the first week of April.

37:21Jeff Harris is the naturopath in Seattle who

37:26now runs the North American Academy of Neural Therapy.

37:31So it's a wonderful tip for some of you guys

37:36that are actually, I mean, condition is that you're allowed

37:39to inject, and then that's all you need, and then

37:44you get some wonderful, simple tools to help the patient.

37:48Then the other issue on the

37:52second level is the electrosmog.

37:57We know there is a huge growing body

38:00of literature on the effect of wifi.

38:04and household electric fields and geopathic stress.

38:10That is sort of something I can lecture about for days.

38:13But the basic outcome, especially with wifi.,

38:17with a handy radiation, is that it penetrates the body,

38:25and in the cells it causes an opening of

38:28what's called the voltage gated calcium channels, and the

38:32cell gets flooded with calcium and then leads to

38:36a cascade of reaction called the no onoo cycle.

38:39And at the end of that, the cell produces

38:41peroxynitrate which is rocket fuel that is completely

38:46destructive to pretty much everything in the body.

38:50And so it's pretty simple, the knowledge about it.

38:56Marty Pall, Martin Pall, P-a-l-l is the one who

39:00wrote the most beautiful summary papers on this.

39:04And this is something I know

39:07most naturopaths, most medical doctors are

39:11completely underestimating the destructiveness of that.

39:14And of course, we're all bathed in

39:16it 24/7 there's no control group.

39:20Somebody wake and say, hey, look, this person lives in

39:23a part of town where there is no wifi.

39:25But I can give you an example, sort

39:27of the direct impact in the Seattle area.

39:31So for some strange reason, Covid broke loose in

39:36America, in Seattle, and not just in Seattle, but

39:40in a particular part of Seattle called Kirkland.

39:43And Kirkland happened to be the first

39:47place in the US that prided itself.

39:49That was for the first part of the

39:53US where 5G was completely switched on.

39:57It was the very first place.

39:58And just a few months before COVID broke loose.

40:03And then the interesting thing was that then the patients

40:07in old folks homes that got so sick with it,

40:11they happened to live in old folks homes that had

40:14completely newly established, complete 5G access in them.

40:19And then these poor patients that got sick were

40:22brought to one particular hospital that was chosen.

40:26It was Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland, which prided

40:31itself, was the first hospital in the US

40:34that fully had switched on 5G and the death rate

40:38of the people that went there was 60%... 6 0.

40:43That means out of ten patients that

40:45went there, only four came out alive.

40:48And so in the background, unbeknownst to the authorities

40:53and anybody else, I got involved and so informed

40:57the different old folks homes that still had some

41:01alive people and told them, there is another solution.

41:05And so I'm not going to tell you

41:07what that was, but that changed the music

41:11and then the death rate went way down.

41:15But this is sort of like one of

41:18the seven factors is the wifi environment.

41:25Then, of course, we want to give it some credit.

41:29Is the effect of nutritional or micronutrient

41:34deficiencies, which now have become very common.

41:38And the reason is pretty simple.

41:41So when we look at spinach today,

41:45there is no more iron and spinach.

41:48When we look at the overall content of basic

41:55elements in the food, that has dramatically decreased in

42:00the last 60 or 70 years to catastrophic amounts.

42:04So to get enough zinc and iron and

42:08molybdenum and all the other basic elements from

42:13the food is harder and harder.

42:17If people have a disturbed gut, like most people have

42:23now, from whatever the reasons are, but they call it

42:27leaky gut, or SIBO or malabsorption, whatever it is.

42:33But in addition to the food not containing really what

42:38our daily needs are, we are also having trouble absorbing

42:44and extracting from the food what we need.

42:47So, yes, the micronutrients, acids, and all

42:51that have a valuable place, but should

42:56not be considered on their own.

43:00So beyond that of course, we have the

43:04field of psychology that I mentioned that before.

43:09Unresolved trauma is certainly one

43:11of the seven factors.

43:13Unresolved conflict.

43:15Unresolved trauma are constantly decreasing the

43:21patient's vitality and ability to be

43:25resilient towards stresses and have direct

43:30connections to particular subsets of symptoms.

43:33And so it's one of the seven

43:36factors that we always look at.

43:39And then one already mentioned is the

43:43higher psychological issues that have to do

43:48with past family issues, conflict, traumata.

43:53And of course, on this level, there is also

43:59the more darker side of the spiritual world that,

44:03I don't want to talk about it here.

44:05It's not the appropriate thing.

44:07But there is other forces that influence us

44:11that can greatly contribute to medical illness.

44:17And there certainly is a room for prayer

44:19and for meditation and for the softer techniques.

44:23I'm pretty sure I've forgotten one

44:26or two of the factors.

44:28I don't have the list here in front

44:31of me, but I think that's pretty complete.

44:34So we try to understand that there

44:36is only seven possible causes of illness.

44:40It's just not like the whole world

44:42of possibilities that makes us sick.

44:45It can really be subdivided in seven issues.

44:48Each of them have their own diagnostic approaches, and

44:53each of them has their own treatment approaches.

44:55And when they're appropriately used, treatments tend to be

44:59gentle, they tend to be biological, they tend to

45:03be inexpensive, and they tend to be available everywhere.

45:10And you said you just wrote a

45:12book on the seven factors as well.

45:16It's like all my books in German.

45:21It's interesting.

45:21After all these years, we haven't found any publishers interested

45:25in my work, and so I'm relaxed with that.

45:30I'm not pushing myself like other people do.

45:35And I'm not a clever marketing person, sort

45:39of, that has some ideas and then puts

45:44them together with all the knowledge that's out

45:46there and puts a clever book together.

45:48Other people are doing good jobs with that.

45:51And I don't want to diminish that.

45:54It's important that people put the

45:56current knowledge that's out there together.

45:58But I do that in Germany,

46:01where I'm very popular with that.

46:03And so with that I go where I'm asked to go. Right.

46:09And this is a great way to

46:10bring it to the people here, too.

46:12If we can't read the book or if

46:14it's in German, it's good to understand and

46:17understand all the factors too involved in it.

46:20Yeah, I do want to say I've set up

46:23my practice in Woodinville in a way that we're

46:28addressing all those issues very deliberately with our patients.

46:34And so, of course, I've distributed some of

46:38the chores to some of the other physicians.

46:41We have a very gifted person

46:44working with the psychological aspect.

46:46That's Deborah L’Estrange, but we

46:50have our own subspecialists.

46:52So each of the seven levels.

46:54Of course, it's not for everybody to do everything.

46:58That was my job for many years, and so now

47:01I'm trying to do just what I love doing on

47:07a particular day and then delegate the other things to

47:10the people that work close with me. Right.

47:14And so tell us a little bit more about that.

47:16What are some of the unique modalities that you use to

47:19treat patients at the Sophia Health Institute in the US?

47:24So, first of all, it's my diagnostic workup.

47:29Yes, I look at the lab work, I

47:31look at the big markers, but I don't

47:33have this patient spend thousands of dollars initially.

47:37Occasionally, we may have to go there, but

47:42basically, I do my ART exam and go

47:45very carefully through the seven factors.

47:48And so, for example, to detect the effect of

47:56the wifi on a patient, we have a particular

48:02subset of tests that focuses on the pineal gland,

48:06which is most sensitive organ in the body, to

48:09wifi, and then have ways of assessing the home.

48:16So we may send a SWAT team to the homes to look at the.

48:22Take some measurements of the intensity of

48:24radiation that's in the sleeping location and

48:26other places in the home.

48:29So that will be one aspect of it.

48:33One thing I'm very good at, and only one

48:36of a few physicians in the US is doing

48:38neural therapy, which is looking at the scars and

48:42autonomic ganglia and treat them when they're dysfunctional.

48:48For example, I may put

48:50DMPS into the sphenopalatine ganglion.

48:55I may inject ozone into the tonsils.

49:00I may typically use ozone in

49:02many of the joint problems.

49:06I use whenever it's available, Artesunate to treat

49:12cancer and use injectable curcumin and some of

49:18the Spermidine and other things that are available

49:24if you looking for it.

49:28I do a very careful exam of the bite and

49:33typically send people to a dentist who actually can follow

49:39our guidance on that and is willing to do that.

49:44Let me see what else we do.

49:45Yeah, we do the low dose immunotherapy.

49:50That was really an offshoot of homeopathy.

49:54But we'll be testing very

49:55carefully if somebody is affected.

49:58Currently, very many people are affected by Strep.

50:02I know that Pertussis, Whooping Cough is around

50:06very prevalent, but people don't look at that.

50:09And so I may for that

50:13establish an herbal antibiotic protocol.

50:17I may inject ozone, like I said,

50:20in the tonsils and the lymphatics.

50:23I may, yeah, I use acupuncture,

50:30I use many manual techniques.

50:35So I'm kind of known for my neck

50:39treatments for people that had whiplash injuries.

50:42That's complicated and complex manipulation procedure where the joints

50:50and nerves of the neck are numbed temporarily with

50:54Procaine, and then there's a very strong manipulation of

50:59the neck, traction torsion maneuver that has saved many,

51:04many people from chronic neck pain.

51:08Yes, we do intravenous therapies.

51:11We use a lot of intravenous herbal products, but also

51:15the usual ozone and UBI and the nutrients vitamin C

51:23like to use the chance here to say that.

51:26So vitamin C typically arrives in glass bottles

51:30and the glass is made of aluminum silicate.

51:36And so what happens when the company, whether McGuff or

51:40whoever produces them, dissolves the vitamin C and puts it

51:45in a bottle and it sits on the shelf for

51:47a few months and it comes to you?

51:49The vitamin C actually leaches out aluminum.

51:52And so most of the supplies of injectable

51:58vitamin C that arrive at the offices in

52:01the US are highly loaded with aluminum.

52:05And so it should be in boron glass or some

52:07other thing, or it should be a dry powder that

52:10you reconstitute at the time of injection, or it should

52:17be very short way between producing it and using it.

52:21And so we use a variety of that.

52:24Paying attention to that, I think very unique for

52:27us is also our approach to aluminum toxicity.

52:32We found out that through a German researcher, a

52:36wonderful gifted brain researcher and a medical doctor, a

52:44woman actually, and she did research on the ionic

52:48footbath and showed that 30 minutes ionic footbath, it's

52:54feet are suspending in water and there's a coil

52:56in there, and that it leads to a two

53:01to 400 fold release of aluminum through the urine

53:06and the patient within the next few days afterwards.

53:09And so we tried to diagnose aluminum toxicity in everybody,

53:15which is really the big overlooked toxin of our time

53:21that Chris Exley and other researchers have shown is the

53:24main cause of the brain deterioration in the US.

53:28It's aluminum really, in combination with Lyme disease

53:33and the Epstein Barr and the herpes viruses

53:35and all that is more secondary.

53:37And mercury is always in the pie.

53:40So we diagnose that we may put

53:44people on a very strict mercury detox

53:46program, which involves plant derived compounds.

53:50It involves giving binders like chlorella, but it

53:54also involves intravenous therapies that we very carefully

53:59select from what's available, and we use compounds

54:05that are difficult to find that are very

54:09highly effective in getting mercury out.

54:12And just maybe as a reminder, aluminum detox is

54:17a completely different animal from detoxing mercury and lead.

54:21Lead toxicity is sort of one of my more recent hobbies.

54:25It overlooks how huge the burden of

54:29the American society is with lead.

54:32It's in the bone.

54:34If you do just a urine test or hair test, it

54:37won't show, but it causes osteoporosis and shrinking of the bone.

54:41And when you get older, it slowly

54:43gets released and causes reverse toxicity.

54:47That is very profound.

54:49And so we're looking at all that.

54:51And so, pretty much every patient that I see walks

54:54out with a strong detox program, which usually will take

55:00a year or two or three to get to an

55:02endpoint with that or to reasonable level with that.

55:06But the treatment results are dramatic when

55:09you approach this a proper way.

55:14Wow.

55:15So you do a lot of unique and very powerful

55:18treatments there, and a lot of things that people aren't

55:22even aware of that are affecting their bodies.

55:24Then, of course, there is the whole area of

55:27psychology where I've developed my own techniques, the PK work

55:32and the MFT mental field therapy.

55:35They made targeted approaches that address trauma

55:39and conflicts and patients and unresolved issues.

55:42And then in addition to that, once a week

55:47in the office, I do family constellation work.

55:50That's the work to really heal ancestral trauma.

55:54So that's offered to my patient.

55:56Not everybody takes me up on that offer,

56:00but it's fantastic when people do it.

56:03The treatment results are beautiful, right? Yeah.

56:07It's powerful to combine all of those, too.

56:11Okay, so I have one last question for you.

56:13Today, in today's age, what is your view on

56:18the electromagnetic fields that people are exposed to on

56:21a daily basis, and what are some simple actions

56:25that they can take to limit their exposures?

56:30Yeah, I mentioned already the biology of wifi.

56:37The deepest level of what it

56:39does, everybody is exposed to it.

56:45And so it's really a

56:46question of minimizing our exposure.

56:48So the first issue is that the wifi router people

56:52have at their home is a cell phone tower.

56:56Sort of in the wifi router, when it's switched

56:58on, is a transmitter of very huge, unpredictable amounts

57:04of radiation that covers the entire home.

57:07So this one.

57:08So the wifi router needs to be off when it's not

57:12used, and it definitely needs to be off at night.

57:15And the best solution is to get rid of

57:17it and get a wired connection, which is not

57:20expensive, and is easy to do, but that's a

57:24tough one to the American to convince them.

57:29And many people really say, I'd rather die

57:31of cancer than give up my wifi router.

57:36So that's really sort of what

57:38we are up against with that.

57:40And then there is the effects

57:41of dirty electricity, underground currents.

57:45That's sort of the normal

57:47electric currents in the household.

57:49There tend to build up strengths of

57:54field in different areas in the house.

57:58And if your sleeping location happens to be in

58:01that part of a field, you have no chance.

58:04That's the most common cause of insomnia and

58:07chronic, huge participator in developing chronic illness.

58:13And so the best solution is to switch

58:17diffusers off at night for the entire house.

58:20That has cured a lot of

58:22people from their chronic illness.

58:23But again, a lesser solution of that is

58:29a switch that electricians know how to install.

58:33It's called a demand switch.

58:35That's a wireless tool that you have by your bedside,

58:38and you push a button that switches off all the

58:42fuses that control the circuitry of your bedroom.

58:47And that's a wonderful tool.

58:51And again, not every patient takes me up on that.

58:56So people really say they rather like the convenience.

59:00And I said, well, really, all I'm asking you

59:02is to buy a $3 flashlight, to put it

59:05by a nightstand, and to have this thing with

59:09the button there cost a couple of install that.

59:13It's not astronomically expensive.

59:16So that's another tool.

59:18Then, of course, there is geopathic stress.

59:22Geopathic stress is radiation that

59:25comes from the earth.

59:26It's very, very common in the Seattle area because

59:31we are on a group of fault lines that

59:34run under our bums through the houses and through

59:38the clinics and through the environment.

59:44When your sleeping location is on one

59:47of those lines, you will get sick.

59:52I'll give you an example.

59:53So this was a woman that came in once for treatment.

59:59She had brain cancer and large

60:02tumor in the brain, malignant tumor.

60:04And so I diagnosed with my test that she

60:08was sleeping on one of those stress lines and

60:10that she needed to change that location.

60:12And so she went home, didn't contact me for a while.

60:17And she called me like after a few months and said,

60:20Dr. Klinghardt, I got good news.

60:22My tumor is now shrunk to the size of a cherry.

60:25It was the size of an orange.

60:28And so after a few months, it

60:30was completely gone without any further treatment.

60:33And then a few years later, the sad news came,

60:36and she called me without ever seeing her in between.

60:39She called me and said, listen, I

60:40just want to tell you my son.

60:42At the time of the one consult I had

60:45with her, the son was like, four years old.

60:48And so she just told me, this

60:49is now two or three years later.

60:51The son must be six or seven.

60:53She said, you know, my son just died.

60:56He had the same brain tumor that I had.

60:59And then I asked her, okay, wait a moment. Okay.

61:02When I asked you two years ago to move

61:05your sleeping locations, did you actually do that?

61:08You said, yeah, I did it.

61:09I moved into the location where my son was sleeping.

61:13And then what you do with your son?

61:15Well, I moved him to where I was sleeping.

61:19So he was sleeping now in the same

61:21location where she got a brain tumor.

61:23He got the same brain tumor and died from it.

61:26And so people tend to have a lot of

61:30common sense or intelligence, and so we need to

61:34kind of be a bit more aware.

61:37So the sleeping location can be a huge impact

61:41in terms of the overall electromagnetic exposures, or this

61:47may be ionizing radiation from the earth.

61:50So that's one set of tools that we use

61:53to diagnose and do simple things like this.

61:56But then, on a more physical level, yes, we

61:59do have proof that the protective clothing works.

62:03Shirts that have metalized threads in

62:07them, they do reflect wifi.

62:10And so we have different companies.

62:16There's also the sleep sanctuary, we call it.

62:21It looks like a mosquito net that people

62:23put over their bed that really hugely reduces

62:27the incoming wifi from the neighborhood.

62:31Assuming people have switched off their own wifi router

62:35and dealt with the electric fields in the bedroom,

62:40calmed that down, then the sleep sanctuary is incredibly

62:43effective in helping people to get the health back.

62:47There's a company that there's probably others,

62:50but this is called littletreegroup.com, that makes

62:55custom makes those for people.

62:58There's blankets and things, but I'm a strong fan of

63:03the shirts that cover, like, the large body parts.

63:07It's the overall body surfaces that

63:10are exposed to it that matter.

63:12You don't have to kind of COVID everything, but

63:15the large body parts should be covered with it.

63:18And so I work with that.

63:20I walk with that.

63:22The things that are available are not

63:26super expensive, and they're extremely effective.

63:29I know there's people argue, oh, no, this cannot work.

63:33And it's bad physics, and blah, blah, blah.

63:35Well, I've done it for 30 years.

63:38It works.

63:39And then there's internal things that people can do.

63:43There's certain herbs like rosemary, there is propolis that

63:49have been shown to be hugely radio protective.

63:52And so I always test people

63:55with my technique for those.

63:57And so there's very few patients of mine that

64:01are not on rosemary tincture or on propolis tincture.

64:05So those are the key tools to protect

64:10the cells from the incoming wifi radiation.

64:14And of course, I have a whole day lecture on this, but

64:18these are sort of some of the key pieces to that.

64:23That's excellent.

64:24And we'll be sure to put up all your information, too

64:29and the resources you have and the links to your website

64:32so everybody can find it or if they want to dig

64:35a little bit more, get more information on it as well.

64:39Yeah, thanks.

64:40Michele, it was nice connecting with you. Yeah.

64:44Thank you so much for taking the

64:45time today and telling us about your

64:48whole process and your different modalities.

64:51So I greatly appreciate it and I'm thankful

64:54to share it with my audience, too.

64:56But people shouldn't forget that life is good.

65:00Life is precious and very enjoyable.

65:05And so let's keep it that way and make life easy.

65:09There's just a few things that need to be addressed

65:12and then life will be good for most people. Exactly.

65:16I agree.

65:17Just bringing them back more

65:18into balance with themselves.

65:22Well, thank you very much.

65:25Thank you